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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tomiahonen</span></a></span> yes, and to <em>add insult to injury</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> didn't even wanted to sell people like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> or me a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> device, with the only one being <em>"launched"</em> in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a> being a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SimLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SimLock</span></a>'d &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NetLock</span></a>'d <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/prepaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prepaid</span></a> phone in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Spain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Spain</span></a> one could only attain in-store with all the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a>"</em> nonsense they had, demanding a legal address in Spain back then.</p><ul><li>So whilst Firefox OS had the <em>most "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/accessible" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accessible</span></a>"</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Development" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Development</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tools" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tools</span></a> (literally using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Firefox</span></a> for it and having <em>every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>App</span></a></em> as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebView" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebView</span></a>|s / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HTML5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HTML5</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JS5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JS5</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CSS3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CSS3</span></a> files in a container), they didn't even sold <em>us</em> said devices, making it a worse flop than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UbuntuTouch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UbuntuTouch</span></a> which at least still gets some devices made that support it...</li></ul><p>And <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/nerds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>nerds</span></a> like myself are far from the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/consoomer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>consoomer</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Normies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Normies</span></a>"</em> for whom stuff that isn't on shelves at Staturn/MediaMarkt, BestBuy, Walmart, ... doesn't exist. I'm used to importing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> that I want!</p><ul><li>Feels even more <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">half-assed</a> than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a> in hindsight…</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://cubhub.social/@Rusty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Rusty</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://rubber.social/@dragonarchitect" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dragonarchitect</span></a></span> I disagree re: webOS and FirefoxOS.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/webOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>webOS</span></a> failed due to lack of market penetration (there was only like 1 Tablet from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/hp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>hp</span></a>) and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> failed because <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@mozillaofficial" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mozillaofficial</span></a></span> didn't even offer to sell devices to folks like me and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> that wanted one.</p><ul><li>The only devices with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Firefox</span></a> OS in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a> were a few <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NetLock</span></a>'d <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/prepaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prepaid</span></a> phones that got sold in Spain (reqiring ID for no valid reason!) and which were essentially useless for anyone outside of Spain.</li></ul><p>Add to that the absurdity that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> basically expected carriers (!!) to maintain and provide the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AppStore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AppStore</span></a>|s themselves and you get market fracturing worse than the <em>"P.R."</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/China" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>China</span></a> (!!!)…</p><p>It was mismanaged and self-sabotaged in the worst possible way.</p><ul><li>Similar to how <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OLPC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OLPC</span></a> never sold the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XO1" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XO1</span></a> in retail and didn't even offer the <em>"Give one, Get one"</em> deal in most places...</li></ul><p>The <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Duopoly" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Duopoly</span></a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iOS</span></a> wasn't unavoidable, but an outcome of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfSabotage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfSabotage</span></a> and halfassed non-commitment by competitors!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.space/@quasigod" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>quasigod</span></a></span> there's a reason <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SimLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SimLock</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NetLock</span></a> died in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Europe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Europe</span></a> over a decade ago.</p><ul><li>People don't like getting shafted - espechally on expensive devices.</li></ul><p>That being said even <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Prepaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prepaid</span></a> providers don't lock their devices anymore but instead they just sell people devices at cost with a tiny margin and make their €€€ longterm bunding a free <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a> with every purchase.</p><ul><li>But yeah, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>US</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telco" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telco</span></a>|s are shit!</li></ul>