Ozzie D, NP-hard :bikepump: :vegan:<p>Can't believe I've never heard this story about the origins of <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/PETA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PETA</span></a>: the undercover lab operative, the preclinical research work involved, the poor macaques, all of it. And this podcast, interviewing the principals, is mesmerizing.</p><blockquote><p>Edward: Alex rang the front door of my laboratory.</p><p>Alex: I introduce myself.</p><p>Edward: He seemed like a personable young man.</p><p>Alex: I told him my real name, told him I was a student at George Washington University at the time.</p><p>Edward: He told me that he was interested in pursuing a medical career.</p><p>Alex: And I remember he put his hand on his chin and thought a bit and said, "Okay, come on in." He took me into his office, which is at the front of the laboratory. I remember him saying, "Why do you want to, why do you want to do this?"</p><p>Edward: He wanted to find out what it was like to do medical research.</p><p>Alex: And I told him that, "Yes, I was looking for work. Are they hiring?" And he said, "Nope, we're not hiring."</p><p>Edward: However, if he was interested in volunteering, I would be glad to give him an experiment to do, give him an experience what research was like.</p><p>Alex: He then started to walk me through the laboratory. I had no idea what to expect. I'd never been in a laboratory before. The place smelled funny, but it didn't, it smelled sort of just like a dog pound. But then he took me into this one room. The stench was so strong, it almost knocked me out. Three sides of the room are just cages from floor to ceiling. The animals were way worse off than I was expecting. They had huge injuries, big lacerations.6 I was just totally fucking shocked. It was just, I didn't expect that at all. When we got closer to the cages, I could see that they were all [inaudible 00:06:09] macaques. They're used in laboratories to a great extent.7 And the reason why they are used is because they are hard to kill. You don't want the animals to die until the experiment is finished.</p></blockquote><p><a href="https://loveandradio.org/2020/10/necessary-measures/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">loveandradio.org/2020/10/neces</span><span class="invisible">sary-measures/</span></a></p><p>The transcript is great (and heavily footnoted).</p><p><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AnimalRights" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AnimalRights</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AnimalCruelty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AnimalCruelty</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/ResearchEthics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ResearchEthics</span></a></p>