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I'm Aria, I'm going to use this account for some of the writing I've been doing lately. I'm working on what I keep saying is a teen transgender urban fantasy.

I read a ton of science fiction, and have a complicated relationship with fantasy. I'm hoping I can build a world I like. Other people too, we'll see.

So who likes magic systems, video game references, ensemble casts, and thinks teenagers are actual people?

mastodon frontend that lets you keep notes about people, like "has good sincereposts, lives in nepal, can answer cooking questions"

useful for folks who can't ever remember names and stuff, such as myself

For me it's probably Rosemary and Sissix in Long Way To A Small Angry Planet

In which our protagonist gets a glimpse of how weird the world she lives in is ... by meeting a friend's rather unusual cat.

@aredridel Today the only authors that frequently need to give detailed explanations of stuff the readers know nothing about are SFF authors. And because exposition has gone out of style, we need to find all kind of work-around to keep in 3rd limited and still give raeders the info they need.

@aredridel Everything I can think of is 3rd omni/objective or 1st.

A point I read a while back is that in Moby Dick, Melville *had* to take several pages to explain *what a whale is* becuase most folks at the time didn't know anything about them.

I think this may play a part in the popularity of omni/objective PoV -- 3rd person stories NEEDED an authorial perspective to fill in info of the setting the reader wouldn't be expected to have.

Even so, there's a fair bit of what we now call head-hopping.

The Castle of Otranto is an example I just found β€” Gothic horror as a genre may have been one of the progenitors.

But then, the need to invoke a first person framing story to give a limited perspective may in fact be evidence of the lack of a 3rd person limited narrative until remarkably recently, at least in general acceptance.

A friend points out that mysteries β€” Holmes among them β€” while written in the style of first person accounts, often have a very limited viewpoint, perhaps out of necessity for the factual withholding of information in the genre.

It's remarkable how uniformly Austen is cited as example of the 3rd person in general β€” omniscient or subjective β€” by writing howtos and other things talking about the craft of writing. For sure she is among the greatest classic novelists, and her wit and style are in fact well ahead of her contemporaries, but it's still notable the paucity of any other citations in the form.

Northanger Abbey might be a good example β€” It roams between an omniscient _style_, and a character's point of view, but its observations in the omniscient are largely a self-awareness of the art of the novel, rather than actually portraying much of the action from the dispassionate outside observer.

Particularly, are there any novel-sized examples? Or examples that show that the author intentionally chose or talked about this framing, rather than experimenting into it in a limited fashion?

Okay, time to ask the internet: what are pre-1900 examples of 3rd person limited narration?

I'm trying to answer how much this PoV developed in tandem with (and perhaps in reaction to) cinema, as distinct from theater.

3rd omni/objective maps very well to theater, and has 2000+ years of recorded history β€” but what of the limited PoV?

I am absolutely enamored with this scene I just wrote and now I need to find a way to use it.

I cannot believe how much mileage one can get out of a goose.

I wonder how much of my love of transformation stories is from reading Greek myths as a child.

I wonder how much of my love of transformation stories is from reading Greek myths as a child.

I always amazes me the degree to which writing advice is actually psychology and relationship advice made hypothetical.

These are low ethics patterns that are no doubt high return.

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