#protip: If a guy ever tells you #fanfiction is stupid, ask him how many #Skyrim mods he has installed
seriously, that game is as sprawling and in bed of repair and Homestuck. The difference being that Homestuck and its fanworks explicitly critique toxic masculinity, where Skyrim's fandom begins and ends with nude mods.
@DialMforMara You realize I have a dozen mods installed and none of them are nude mods, right?
@Canageek Skyrim fandom has a decent middle. The beginning and end, though...
@DialMforMara Ok, I can see one end being nude mods, and the stuff from the Loverslab forums. What is the other end?
@Canageek I was trying to be clever by saying the nude mods were at both ends, so whichever end you start at you have to dig through them to get to useful graphics updates and interesting additions to the story
@DialMforMara Acutally, the nexus has really good adult filters so that you don't have to deal with those if you don't want.
There's one Skyrim mod I wish I could have for the PS4 called open cities. Basically takes away the load zone entering and leaving major cities. You can jump the wall! You can fight a dragon in whiterun! You can ride your horse right inside!
No nudity!
@Mainebot There are a lot of lovely things out in the middle of Skyrim fandom, but the beginning and end are problematic.
I don't know about the fandom as a thing unto itself, I only reallllllly touch the modding community from time to time. I've seen a lot of questionable things there, sure.
I think a nude mod isn't inherently a problem, until the community turns it into Gor.
@DialMforMara It's not like something being fanfiction prevents it from being good. It just makes it legally complicated.
I mean god, who knows how many authors started out writing fanfiction. I know Cassandra Clare did (though I haven't read her stuff, but people seem to like it), to the point where she like, formed the fandom image of Draco is my understanding. (I don't follow HP, I know this stuff against my will).
I don't write ff, but isn't it more a gateway drug to publishable works?
@DialMforMara If you want to be Edgy, like I was when I was a teenager, what about the Aeneid? What about Wide Sargasso Sea? I know a lot of men would argue the former is good. dunno if they've heard of the latter.
Seriously though. Is it only fanfiction when it's not publishable? Or when you're trying to make a point? Because look at uh, 50 shades. that's a fic with the names changed. (I'm not getting into any issues about it here). I bet a lot of people don't know that though.
@lapis it's only fanfiction when it's written by girls, is the impression I get
@DialMforMara @lapis Huh, I never realised fanfiction was a gendered phenomenon.
@JordiGH @DialMforMara It blows your mind when you think about it, but yeah, girls everywhere.
@lapis @DialMforMara Wait, really? Fan fiction is mostly written by girls?
Whoa whoa whoa, whaaat?
@JordiGH @DialMforMara I might be wrong, but the prominent authors are female, and I would say if you were to guess the gender of the author of most fanfiction, you'd usually guess "girl". I don't know why. Guys do produce fanworks, but from what I've noticed, they're not prominent in fanfiction. Do not cite me as a source though, this is just my perception.
@DialMforMara Ah! The heart of the problem. derivative works are a-OK when not a girl!
@lapis @DialMforMara or if it's not about a Nintendo franchise
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The truest true.
@DialMforMara He'll probably tell you that Skyrim isn't something real gamers play and it's dumbed down for girls and then talk at you for half an hour about Morrowind and real modding tools.
I don't recommend this.