None of my accounts show any search hits for eclipse phase. Given Mastadons user base, I would have thought an RPG written by Socalists and about a semi-post scarcity society and alternate governance models would be more popular here...
On and transhumanism and you can play anthro characters.
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@Canageek RPG. Apparently I can't type.
@craigmaloney The whole idea of only searching tags is really dumb, to be honest. I'm glad Twidere is able to do full-text search. Also problem might be federation fail, which commonly hit searches.
For example search #Warhammer. mastodon.weaponvsac.space, wandering.shop and cybre.space get 0 or 1 hit. octodon.social gets a TON of hits.
@Canageek Meh, I understand the reasoning but yeah, it can be a bit of a pain to find anything again.
@craigmaloney I don't? What is it?
@Canageek UNfortunately full-text searching can be used to find certain posts to harass folks. It's a protective measure.
@craigmaloney .... That is really dumb. You can't enforce it, as evidenced by the fact Twidere has it built in. So harassers can still do it, but it inconveniences everyone, and the is no way to tell if people are doing it. The are commend line clients- log the federated timeline, then run grep on that.
@Canageek @craigmaloney You wouldn't even need to write or use an actual Mastodon client. Masto publishes a user's activity as an Atom feed; other instances subscribe to this feed to get their toots. But anyone who wants to can also subscribe to it, and then all you need is a routine for parsing Atom (not hard, it's just namespaced XML) and dumping the content into a flat file or database or whatever. Put that on a cron job and boom, you're done.
@jalefkowit @Canageek @craigmaloney i don't think anyone has the impression it's impossible
but it doesn't have to be impossible for there to be benefit
if it is more of a pain in the ass it will almost certainly happen less often, and that's a good thing
@bea @jalefkowit @craigmaloney Nah. It will happen less often until someone writes a tool for it, then it will be common, and we still won't have full text search.
@Canageek @jalefkowit @craigmaloney that will be an unfortunate day!
when it comes though i hope i'm well enough to take pleasure from writing a patch that will fuck that tool up~
@bea @jalefkowit @craigmaloney As it has been explained to me, can't be done. Just download the timeline atom feed to your PC then run a search on it there.
@Canageek @jalefkowit @craigmaloney for now? sure
not hard to change the way that works to make it hostile to an indexer though
probably can detect such an indexer as well
like i said, i hope when the time comes i feel well enough to enjoy the challenge
other instances can do what they will including have fulltext search
but i won't have my instance being indexed for the benefit of anyone but my users i think
@bea @jalefkowit @craigmaloney So you'd have to break federation then, right?
@Canageek @jalefkowit @craigmaloney mm no, i'm pretty sure it can be avoided
@bea @jalefkowit @craigmaloney Might want to talk to @craigmaloney about they? Individual user feeds are public atom based on the one he just sent me
@Canageek @jalefkowit @craigmaloney craig has been tagged in this whole conversation...
@bea @jalefkowit @craigmaloney Install one if the commend line clients. Log all toots in the federated timeline to disk. Run grep on it?
I'm told it is even easier with atom feeds?
@Canageek @jalefkowit @craigmaloney if you have a well behaved client or act like a well behaved client you miss all the data from the past and have to process everything at realtime
i think for anyone who wants to be an asshole this is already a pretty serious setback
@bea @jalefkowit @craigmaloney .... Yeah, this the logging to disk. Then once you have a log run grep? What an I missing?
@Canageek @bea @craigmaloney If you can't get the data for the entire instance out of it easily, it's harder to identify individual targets within the herd for harassment.
(If you already have a target identified, you're already past the point where anything related to search could stop you.)
@jalefkowit @craigmaloney So do I just need to know the URL of that feed? What is the format for that? I'd like to play around with this. Would be useful for a fiction event I have planned.
@craigmaloney @Canageek Note also that Mastodon's user profile pages have feed autodiscovery meta tags, so if you hit them using an autodiscovery-capable browser you can pipe the user's feed to your feed reader with a single click.
@jalefkowit @craigmaloney Is the one for the local timeline in general?
@Canageek @craigmaloney I'm not sure there is a separate feed for the local timeline, as that doesn't get federated across instances. You'd need to check the Mastodon source to confirm though.
@jalefkowit @craigmaloney Ah, so no way to get all the messages without manually downloading every atom feed?
@jalefkowit @craigmaloney So how are the local and federated feeds created? They just take all those feeds and mush then together?
@Canageek @craigmaloney This question goes deeper into Mastodon internals than I can speak to from experience, so I can't say for sure.
My _guess_ is that the local and federated feeds are generated dynamically by Masto for each user, based on their follow list. i.e. they don't exist in Atom format themselves; Masto takes the Atom feeds for all the users that user follows and them mashes them together.
@jalefkowit @craigmaloney Doesn't every Mastodon user see the same local feed? I thought that was just every non-private toot on the instance?
@craigmaloney Do you know his address?
@Canageek I think you found it, but I found him via searching for "infomorph".
Wishing more of the EP team was over here.
@Canageek
I'm a big fan of it actually. Creative commons FTW. I was actually just lamenting my inability to run a GURPS Transhuman Space and mentioning that Eclipse Phase and Nova Praxis are about the only way I can scratch that itch with my gaming group :P
@Irick That is nice. I've played once and it is ok
@Irick I really like the fact I don't have to share around a copy of the book to people, that is very nice.
@Irick Sorry, had another account logged in and didn't notice.
@Canageek
It's fine XD
@craigmaloney @Canageek
I have.
I cannibalized a bit of it for some of my FATE games that I felt needed more crunch.
@craigmaloney @Irick No, it is done OSR thing, right?
@Canageek I think the problem is with some of the basic idea content. Supposedly, while Eclipse Phase can be great fun, it´s also incredibly indie and remains less-well marketed to possible players. Also because the ideas aren´t well-toned to introduce people to roleplaying, and the existing demographics don´t cater too much to those things you mentioned ;)
@Canageek Eclipse Phiasco 💯 👌
@Canageek I haven't played it but I have a copy. I also have a sourcebook full of story ideas.
I think the game's strength is in it's setting, I don't remember being particularly impressed with the system.
That said, I've been told repeatedly that people want to create their own settings and have a system that supports it.
There is some really good material to mine from there though which is my guess what people use the books for.
@Emmett I really like the setting except for the big secret about why the AI rebelled. Really put me off the setting for a long time.
@Canageek I'm fond of Eclipse Phase. A friend of mine ran a couple of adventures for a group of us and it was a blast.
I adored the worldbuilding, though I honestly kinda hated the system backing it . Way too crunchy for my taste. It fit the hard SF setting, but bogged everything down in math and rules.
@Canageek It's one of my favorite EPG settings. Also Infomorph is on here (though I don't believe he uses this service much).